I'm going to say some stuff that will probably make some of my militia pilots and corpmates irate, but it needs to be said.

There is simply no need to continue beating up on an opponent that is not as coordinated and experienced as we are. Everyone around here already knows that Gallente is superior in virtually every facet of FW. We are overachievers, in fact.

I'm just coming back into the game. I no longer have the sort of time that I used to have for this game. When I log on, I just want to create fun content or be a part of it. Logging on and seeing 30-50 pilots plexing a system with no competition. Moaning on comms about why the enemy hasn't shown up. That's not fun. Being a cog in the machine. Trying to get a word in with 5 other people talking over each other. Not fun. Being in a large group where I can't get to know my fellow gamers. Where I can't teach and/or learn from my fellow pilots. Sucks.

The ethos of FW was always about a place where you can have an impact. Where you're not just a number. Where multiple groups of pilots can have an impact. A place where our personal actions truly matter and will have a ripple effect throughout the warzone.

Man. Things have truly changed over the last two years I've been here. Nowadays, people are more interested in trying to get 500 kills a month rather than find meaning and impact in some of their battles.

We blame CCP for the current mechanics without taking any responsibility. We grief the competition and constantly kick them out of their space because we can. We tell them that it's not our fault we're highly organized and that they need to step up their game. But to accept personal responsibility for the current ecosystem we've created. Never.

An interesting narrative that we tell and convince ourself of nowadays.

This narrative sounds familiar to another large group of pilots in another region of space....

It's Robocraft now!



Some of us stopped playing for a reason, still follow the game from a distance and still know enough about the game to be able to form coherent opinions about what could make the game better.

Not defending anyone in particular, but making the point that someone who doesn't play much can still have valid input.

Does the opinion of formerly active players matter in the slightest or not?

What's the matter Crosi....not happy that someone outside QCats doesn't drink the same Kool-Aid?

Don't worry...we'll be out of your hair soon enough...

So that justifies you attempting to shut down Deen's dissenting opinion with a snide quip? Not to mention an entire corp because one member ruffled your feathers?

Sensitive much?

Nexx is a BAMF who has killed more squids than most Gal corps. It is no secret that he never holds back on his opinion and he is more than free to express that opinion. While I may not approve of his delivery methods...if you have an issue with him, then man up and take it to him. Don't be some forum douche throwing snide remarks about a corp you can't even bothered to communicate with when in the same alliance.

So as with Dean's post....any dissention is to be ignored and deemed irrelevant? As if we haven't done anything in the last 5 years of FW ourselves?

I thought brave already had a 100+ member corp in gal mil

no profit on that, better to grind highsec level 4 missions than farm fw plexes with tier 1.

CCP nerfed fw farming once again to point where it is not profitable enough, and same happened than last time, someone took all systems because farmers who were supposed to keep thing moving are gone.

why it was gallente who took systems was clear, caldari vetarans quit long time ago when CCP did same nerf and i bet they are not coming back to take systems, so gallente was once again kicking ball to empty goal after game was over.

CCP sure can not learn from their previous mistakes.

This.

The only reason Caldari managed to flip two systems so quickly was that it was during Russian primetime, with numerous Russian pirate corps persuaded to help even the odds against the inevitable Gallente blob. If it was US TZ, there would be 50+ Gal polesmokers looking for 'good fights'.

Also, the rampant farming of Gallente defensives by stabbed, cloaky farming alts has devalued Gal LP to the point where it's no longer as lucrative for non-militia entities to AFK 'defend' with T1 frigs.

Thing is simple, it is not profitable to plex on tier 1 anymore, so no one does it , game mechanics is broken just like it was last time gallente took all systems.

Back when Caldari took all systems there was no isk/lp reward at all, so making isk was not driving everyone to join one side and farm easy money :).

I bet there is no single Caldari who is mad about losing system for their own farming alts, but thing that even everyone is happy with current easy isk with tier 4 for ever system, it is not still working as game mechanics CCP inteded it to be.

point is that you won war without enemy. ofc some people fight but reason is not always to keep systems, it is just to have fights.

That's their option. Eve is a sandbox afterall.

Meanwhile those 6 guys are getting lots of pvp in FW precisely because they "care" about it. Yesterday it was Tama. We lost the system but got some really good pew out of it.

Is this english ?

So yeah...gg wp n' all that gallente. Try not to take this game too seriously, though. All this FW stuff is voluntary, not obligatory. We vote with our feet and our ships on what we feel like doing. I'm sure the pride of getting all the systems was great n' all, but how much of your free time did that suck up?

Man, Dota 2 is addicting. I might just give a few bil of the ships i pre-assembled in ichy to somebody else to use 'cause I'm movin' house soon and it seems like a waste, but resubbing when there's so many other good games that don't take up SO MUCH OF YOUR TIME to play are out there.

Also, May had a nice post a few pages back.

Long live the war. Not to sound like a condescending ****, but yeah...the war continues with or without 100% control. *edit* and you guys may be rivals on the forums but seriously, everyone teams up vs. a random 3rd party all the time.

Squids + pies vs. frogs
Squids vs. pies + frogs
Pies + pies vs. Squids
Pies + pies vs. Galls
random 0.0'ers vs. whoever else is around at the time.

The list goes on.


Just don't take this **** too seriously.

...Everyone on this forum in general?

I listened. Your alt captured over 100 plexes in 2 weeks. Your main didn't even have that many vp during that week.

I'm not interested in chasing alts that will just hide in a neighboring system. If that's your thing then you're playing the right game.

CCP has ignored the core issue with plexing for so long, that the main fw players are now defending alt plexing for the win. Everyone else has walked away from the game.

One thing we do agree on is that very few people care about winning the occupancy war.

Keep spending your time logging in alts and orbitting buttons, if that is fun for you.

And we can all see those diamonds shining out your arse from 50km away.

Who?

Crosi makes a completely different argument. He argues that it is fine that most plexes are captured with alts. He is entitled to his opinion. I just think paying for alts to rabbit plex is no fun. It's unclear that crosi and I even disagree about anything that actually happens in the game. We just disagree on whether playing the current game is worth a persons time or not.

That's really a summation of the threads here.

So you post to rebut his point....then concede his point...?

What?

This thread has gotten even worse. Hard to believe.

Edit: the only person posting with any sense of reality is Cearain. And he's a friggin Goon.

Crosi, and the rest of you Gayllente, can deny the roll your alt plexer's play all you want. The fact of the matter is when there are 4x the farmers AND 2-4x the active pvp pilots, there is no reasonable way for the opposing faction to fight back. At least under the current system.

The ability of your alt plexer's to defend every possible offensive plexing attempt we make, simultaneously blobbing target systems, is what won you the warzone. Once a system reachers a certain contested level, hordes of Gayllente deplex alts show up.

Caldari probably would have done the same thing if they could. I personally wouldn't because sitting in a plex with 40 dudes is disgustingly boring. The point is the FW system is incredibly flawed, and could be so much better.

So, hopefully, you [Cearain] can see

But thats just my opinion from actually being there, where were you [Cearain] when formulating your opinion?

It wasn't "one guy" it was one alt. That alt captured more plexes than his main. That is the problem. No matter how people want to try to obfuscate net vp for your side is how you make systems vulnerable.

If you think lighting cynos is something you should do with your main then it would be broken. I think winning fw occupancy (and in particular taking plexes) is something that should be done on a main/pvp account and not so dependant on alts.

This is where we fundamentally disagree. You say well throw away alts are most often used to light cynos, so why not have throw away alts capture most plexes. I see the latter as something that should involve pvp.

Cerain, I'll make this as simple as possible.


If VPs are tied to just running timers --> you can get VP while AFK, if nobody shows up to disrupt your efforts.

If VPs are also tied to doing something (such as, for example, killing a pretty tanky and re-spawning rat) --> you basically can't get VP AFK.


I think that, yes, we all agree that AFK gameplay is uncool and should be discouraged.


Under the old system, you could get both offensive and defensive VPs while AFK.

Under the new system, you can only gain defensive VPs while AFK. Big improvement, in almost everyone's opinion.


Next step to make you happy: add rats also to de-plex (I'll let you come up with a mechanic for that).


But the real point is: whatever the mechanics, the militia that adapts more and whines less will always win, even against superior numbers.

Hint: that would be us

I understand that, though I'd dispute the accuracy of your statement to some degree. It really depends upon how you define small, and whether you actually mean less active.

The comment was largely to highlight the discrepancies between offensive and defensive plexing and the effort required for each. I'm certainly not against a DPS check, I just think that in its current form it creates more problems than it solves.

Nisuwa, Notoras (Crosi)

Crosi is my Brosi, but I beg to disagree.